Yes, we will have to have an election to have an election

It’s all about PM Gillard essentially, effectively, circumventing the Constitution thus making it “impossible” to repeal her unmandated carbon (dioxide!) tax laws.

Details here.

The thing is, to the best of my knowledge, all Abbott has to do if and/or when he retains government is to present a “repeal bill” – so to speak – to the (hostile) Senate twice in 24 hours, naturally have it rejected, and then it is well within his right to call a double dissolution.

  1. Hi,
    I think it’s disgusting what Labor are doing with the carbon tax, this proves more than anything else I feel that they don’t give a stuff about the people of OZ, it’s a political game and nothing else.

    I don’t know enough about the system to know how hard it will be for Tony to wind this stupid tax back, but a lot are saying it will cost Billions, that we just don’t have. One of my friends who works in the tax department told me that Tony should make the carbon tax $0 a ton. But she wasn’t sure on the implications of this, because even the tax department hasn’t any information about the full implications of the carbon tax.

    • Funny. Read somewhere else that $0/ton proposal. Who knows if it’d work? It’d still cost a bomb in admin but better than what the PM wants.

      Maybe it could be set at zero and if you’re paying zero, then there’d be no need to submit any paperwork.

      • Carpe Jugulum
      • September 17th, 2011

      The other option would be for Government to flood the market with permits and by default render them valueless.

      • Merilyn
      • September 18th, 2011

      The Tax department “hasn’t any information about the full implications of the carbon tax”, for goodness sakes you would have thought they would have it all at their finger tips by now. Sheesh this whole thing stinks to high heaven.

  2. The carbon tax as toxic legacy. Rather similar to a certain (ahem) leader of about 70 years back – when it all hit the fan he ordered the destruction of his nation’s industries.
    As Jooolya would enunciate it:
    “Aarprays muah, lay dellyooje.”

    • J.M. Heinrichs
    • September 19th, 2011

    For the purposes of reference:

    1. The text of Section 51 of the Constitution Act is: “The Parliament shall, subject to this Constitution, have power to make laws for the peace, order, and good government of the Commonwealth with respect to …” followed by a list of 39 Items. I would tend to think that the phrase “peace, order, and good government of the Commonwealth” has a certain controlling influence over the Items in this Section.

    2. Item xxxi: ” the acquisition of property on just terms from any State or person for any purpose in respect of which the Parliament has power to make laws.” I would be inclined to suggest that there is certain importance to the use of the word “just”.

    3. Item i: “trade and commerce with other countries, and among the States;”
    Item ii: “taxation; but so as not to discriminate between States or parts of States;”
    Item iii: “bounties on the production or export of goods, but so that such bounties shall be uniform throughout the Commonwealth;”

    4. Item xxxix: “matters incidental to the execution of any power vested by this Constitution in the Parliament or in either House thereof, or in the Government of the Commonwealth, or in the Federal Judicature, or in any department or officer of the Commonwealth” may apply, but only if subject to the limitations of “peace, order, and good government of the Commonwealth”.


      • Carpe Jugulum
      • September 19th, 2011

      “but so as not to discriminate between States or parts of States;”

      So what happens if the mining states, WA, NSW & Qld say no, you can’t fund your largess for the country at our expense?

        • J.M. Heinrichs
        • September 20th, 2011

        Don’t ask me; that’s a government’s problem.
        But then I would point out the requirement: “peace, order, and good government of the Commonwealth”, and the existence of the non-confidence vote.


          • Winston Smith
          • September 20th, 2011

          Interesting point, CJ.
          And what if WA and Qld decide to pull out of the Commonwealth?

    • Carpe Jugulum
    • September 20th, 2011

    Todays polls, ALP primary vote drops to 26%. That would be a complete demolition at an election.

    • I watched about a minute of that address she did the other day. I don’t speak that slowly to my Korean primary school kids!

      • Merilyn
      • September 20th, 2011

      Reckon that 26% is still a bit high, and am dubious about some of the other figures, but always say the only poll that really counts is the election poll. So let’s have an election and see how those figures turn out. [The Greens at 13% for goodness sakes don’t people realise yet just what the Greens stand for?]

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