IS ACORN/NYCC paying protesters?


We saw yesterday just how many hard Leftist groups are involved one way or another in the OWS protests.

And now?

Officials with the revamped ACORN office in New York — operating as New York Communities for Change — have fired staff, shredded reams of documents and told workers to blame disgruntled ex-employees for leaking information in an effort to explain away a FoxNews.com report last week on the group’s involvement in Occupy Wall Street protests, according to sources.

NYCC also is installing surveillance cameras and recording devices at its Brooklyn offices, removing or packing away supplies bearing the name ACORN and handing out photos of Fox News staff with a stern warning not to talk to the media, the sources said.

Source:

“It was pretty funny. [NYCC organizing director] Jonathan [Westin] told staff they don’t pay for protesters, but the people in the meeting who work there objected and said, ‘Wait, you pay us to go to the protests every day?’ Then Jonathan said ‘No, but that’s your job,’ and staffers were like, ‘Yeah, our job is to protest,’ and Westin said, ‘No your job is to fight for economic and social justice. We just send you to protest.’

“Staff said, ‘Yes, you pay us to carry signs.’ Then Jonathan says, ‘That’s your job.’ It went on like that back and forth for a while.”

Ahh, a world of hard-Leftist bliss…

NYCC is also monitoring its staff’s behavior, cracking down on phone use and socialization. Officials have ordered all papers — even scraps — to be shredded every night, the source said.

“And all the supplies—everything around the office that said ‘ACORN’ — is now all in storage until this blows over,” the source said. “People literally have to cover up the cameras on the back of their cellphones in the office.”

“Now there’s no texting in the office, no phone calls in the office. They tell us to take our phone calls out into the waiting room where there’s an intercom, and then they turn on the intercom to hear our conversations. They’re installing new cameras and speakers around the building so they can hear everything.

… Where everyone can be a Winston Smith

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    • Sean of Deer Park
    • November 4th, 2011

    Surely, not our Winston Smith? 😆

      • Winston Smith
      • November 6th, 2011

      What the hell have I done now?
      Just replay the tape and I’ll apologise.
      Or write a dictionary.
      Maybe even give young Julia a call…

    • Merilyn
    • November 4th, 2011

    After reading your list nothing could surprise us anymore, this is being organised for a reason.

    Then you read about the antics in the Australian Senate where Bob Brown thinks he is the “King Pin”, questioning Alan Joyce [saw that on Piers blog by proud aussie], and all you can do is shake your head in wonder.

    By the way Kae has been quite ill this week, she could do with a bit of cheering up, was going to put that up on Tim’s blog but no longer know how to do it the new fangled way, so as to add her blog address, kae’s bloodnut blog, so hope anyone here who knows Kae, will pop over and wish her well. [Thank you bing].

      • Sean of Deer Park
      • November 4th, 2011

      Hope Kae is OK! She’s a good chick. Will go over to Bloodnut and renew my login… I forgot my password and couldn’t get in last couple of times (my old pc died and I lost all my info and changed service providers; think it has something to do with my forgetfulness and changing from iPrimus to Telstra, in email terms)

      I meet Bob Brown a couple of times socially, and from my brief experience the man is addled. You ask him a question or make a statement and he responds 15 minutes later after everyone else has moved on in conversation. He seems quite humble, but off with the fairies (so to speak! :lol:) A mate of mine said to me at one meeting, “Is this guy on heroin?” Referring to the dead eyes, blank look and slow response time. Not saying anything, just saying! 😆 It would be wrong to draw conclusions, wouldn’t it?

      • Not that I’m suggesting anyone do it but it’d be funny if someone slipped some speed into his coffee – say an 8ball – and a gram of coke and let the cameras roll…

          • Sean of Deer Park
          • November 4th, 2011

          😆 😆 😆

          • Merilyn
          • November 4th, 2011

          Naughty, naughty. [Hee]

          • Carpe Jugulum
          • November 5th, 2011

          I would pay a million to see brownshirt off his tits on disco bickies and dancing with laurie oaks.

          woooooh wave your hands in the air like you don’t mind so much.

          🙂

          • With Salacious B. Crumb on Oakes’ shoulder?

        • Merilyn
        • November 5th, 2011

        Fancy Bob Brown calling anyone else “devious”, when he is the most “devious” politician of all.

        http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/travel/news/pollies-brand-qantas-boss-alan-joyce-as-devious/story-fn3015fd-1226186250412

    • Left a message there. Thanks, Merilyn.

      • Sean of Deer Park
      • November 4th, 2011

      BTW: that last Piers blog post was spot on. He’s a smart fellow and well worth the read. It’s a shame he (and Devine) don’t post as often as Bolt and Blair. Considering they get paid to do it; BingBing works harder, lives in Korea, works as an ESL teacher and still manages a blog on a daily basis. What do these guys do in their spare time? I enjoy their input but would like to see more from them.

      • True, but Piers does some pretty good lengthy analyses. The posts have more weight to them.

          • Sean of Deer Park
          • November 4th, 2011

          True. I perhaps, should wade through the comments to keep me busy. Somehow though, I feel like ‘less is more’ when it comes to blog comments. For example, I like Delingpole’s blog, but don’t bother with comments as they are in the many hundreds. You’d have to be devoted to read them all.

          Then again, once News Limited is solidly behind a paywall, your numbers will grow and I think I’ll read them all and respond accordingly. If blog posts mass over 300, I tend to read the first couple of pages to get the gist of what people think. The real value is in the writer and what he or she has to say. That’s me though, so I wouldn’t want to speak on behalf of others.

        • Merilyn
        • November 4th, 2011

        Sean, Piers, is now putting up a post daily, not as in depth as his two article ones [Friday and Sunday] but enough that people can and do make comments.

          • Sean of Deer Park
          • November 5th, 2011

          Thanks for that, Merilyn. I thought maybe he (Peirs) was writing more threads, as the number of linked posts here and elsewhere seemed to appear more often. I hadn’t bothered checking the dates. I’ve now put Piers on my my ‘daily’ read list in ‘favourites’; I have daily, weekly and monthly lists set up, so I don’t forget them all. BingBing, Tim Blair and Bolta, in that order, currently have top rating on my PC.

          Way O/T: (Could be worth a dedicated thread at some point, BB)
          Does anyone know, now The Australian is behind the paywall, what happens if you link to a story at their site? I assume the page will ask for membership, to be able to read it.

          For arguments sake, just say I were to copy and paste an article from The Australian, to discuss or disseminate the content. Is this now deemed illegal? If it is, I think News Limited will be kicking a goal for Fairfax (and the ABC) and thus be contributing to restricting free speech on top of an already increasingly and heavily regulated regime on our own opinions. It’s interesting because I can see sites like this one (James Board Blog) will become increasing popular; so long as BB can source and link to topics to back up his opinions and our ability to think about and discuss the issues of the day.

          In my opinion, if News Limited put all of their content behind a pay wall on-line, I think it will stifle debate. If they made it so we pay one monthly fee for membership to cover all content, I could accept that. We should be able to go to any News Limited service anywhere in the world included in any subscription to any owned Masthead and reproduce the content at sites like this one.

          I am concerned the ‘conservative’ leaning view-point is being attacked on too many fronts at the moment. Not just by the government and Leftist Groupthink, but also by our own like minded people in the media. Are we going to be expected to purchase subscriptions for each publication? It will get to the point of being ridiculous and I certainly wouldn’t do it.

          (BB, there is an opportunity here for your Blog, especially considering your talent and location. It is worth investigating. Don’t sit back and wait for it to happen, be proactive and ensure the longevity of your enjoyment, hard work and commitment. I think you have a fantastic product here which could translate into advertising dollars in the future. Just imagine what you and other bloggers [people you already have access to] could achieve if you all bandied together to create an online media ’empire’ – no printing outlay, just common sense and talent. Make advertising pay for it all and make a quid. Food for thought. I’d happily help out and work for you if the opportunity arises)

          • If I used some of an article from the Australian, I’m assuming fair use rules would still apply i.e. link and don’t copy pasta too much.

            I completely agree with the subscription thingy. I too would be willing to pay a LOW monthly fee for ALL NewsLtd sites, but not for individual papers – that just doesn’t cut it in the age of the Internet.

            As for a bunch of folks bandying together, look no further than Pajamas Media.

            As for this site, if the daily hit count ever grew large enough, I’d go a wordpress.org site whereby I could get paid for any advertising (any ads you might sometimes see after posts nowadays I don’t get a cent for (and that’s OK as it’s a privilage that wordpress gives me this platform for free).

            I’m no expert, but I don’t understand why ads on “proper” sites generate such little (not enough) money. Considering an ad in the actual newspaper or on a TV bulletin costs so much and we don’t “click” them, why the disconnect when it comes to online media?

            The other day, NewsCorp (and OK, sure, not NewsLtd, the news part of NewsCorp) posted a very healthy profit, so it’s crocodile tears when I hear about revenue woes.

            • Winston Smith
            • November 6th, 2011

            Sean, if you click onto the link, you’ll go to the article. But it will only be the headline. Copy the headline and paste it into your browser – I use Firefox. Then follow the results. You’ll get the full column, but still can’t navigate inside the paywall.

  1. Gasp! A community organizing group is actually community organizing?! Fox News claims that liberals are out to get them?! It must be a day that ends in “Y.”

    • And that’s fine, so why are they publically denying that they’re sending paid people to protest?

      Would it maybe be because they and all the other mish-mash of radical organised groups kind of take away from the whole “we are just ordinary citizens who’ve spontanously come together” schtick?

      Just a thought…

  2. I read the article. When you own peons are arguing with you, you definitely have an integrity problem! I thought it was a scream. As much for the hypocrisy, as for the absurd theater that ACORN has become.

    • Aha! Not ACORN. The ACORN coffee mugs were subsequently boxed!

      • Right – ignore the man behind the curtain. 😉

  3. Okay let’s assume this information is true. And if so, how are they any different from the Tea Party movement? Plus even if it were true, we’re talking about a very small group within the movement doing this. Try telling the guy who fought in WWII holding a sign in Zuccotti Park he’s there representing ACORN. There will always be spies and infiltrators in every large movement, that would be very hard to avoid altogether, don’t you agree?

    • The TEA party acknowledged all sources of its funding. In fact, most of it was self-funded unlike the “Occupy Movement”.

      Besides, you’ve missed the point. Why the secrecy when it comes to ACORN?

      PS Looking at Zuccotti park these days, compared to anywhere after a TEA party rally, the difference is profound.

      That and the TEA party has a clear message.

    • #1 – The Tea Party cleans up after itself. After a 2 week “occupation”, it required bull dozers to clean up after the occupiers
      #2 – Individual members of the Tea party are not paid to show up at rallies. The Group solicits funds for expenses – LIKE the occupiers, but unlike the occuppiers, no members are paid.
      #3 – The article never said ALL protestors were paid. It stated that Acorn was paying some to show up (and indeed others have admitted it).

      Seen any videos of Tea Party members crapping on cop cars? Raping 14 year old girls? Endangering the lives of small children? Vandalizing vendor carts?

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